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		<title>By: tehabwa</title>
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		<dc:creator>tehabwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait persons are not paid full wages; tips ARE their wages.

At really expensive places, they serve fewer people than at cheap places. (Fewer tables because more courses and other services, and each table is used by one group for MUCH longer.)

If you aren't willing to pay for a meal, including tip, don't eat there, eat somewhere you pay what you want to pay.

I wish we'd get rid of tipping entirely, and they'd just put the real price on the friggin' menu, so it would be upfront.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait persons are not paid full wages; tips ARE their wages.</p>
<p>At really expensive places, they serve fewer people than at cheap places. (Fewer tables because more courses and other services, and each table is used by one group for MUCH longer.)</p>
<p>If you aren&#8217;t willing to pay for a meal, including tip, don&#8217;t eat there, eat somewhere you pay what you want to pay.</p>
<p>I wish we&#8217;d get rid of tipping entirely, and they&#8217;d just put the real price on the friggin&#8217; menu, so it would be upfront.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: mianmannoi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mianmannoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a nice rationalization, but you know what you're doing is wrong.  

You know that waiters at high-end restaurants have fewer tables, and each table turns over only 2 or maybe 3 times a night.  There is also a much bigger staff that shares the tip (or did you think the waiter gets to keep it all?).

After clogging up this waiter's table for 2 or more hours and having at least 4 or 5 staff members working your table, you still want to pay the same tip as you would if you spent 30 minutes being served by one waiter at a diner?  

As to whether the prices are inflated -- The prices are on the menu; if you don't like the price, leave.  

In most cases, you are wrong about inflated prices when you consider that true fine dining restaurants need to pay for about 5 times the kitchen staff, a much more highly trained and paid chef and sous chef, higher build-out and maintenance expense, and dramatically higher food costs.  But that's not particularly relevant -- since you chose to eat there in the first place, you chose to abide by the customs and practices that prevail.  That includes not yelling, spitting on the floor, or stiffing the waiter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a nice rationalization, but you know what you&#8217;re doing is wrong.  </p>
<p>You know that waiters at high-end restaurants have fewer tables, and each table turns over only 2 or maybe 3 times a night.  There is also a much bigger staff that shares the tip (or did you think the waiter gets to keep it all?).</p>
<p>After clogging up this waiter&#8217;s table for 2 or more hours and having at least 4 or 5 staff members working your table, you still want to pay the same tip as you would if you spent 30 minutes being served by one waiter at a diner?  </p>
<p>As to whether the prices are inflated &#8212; The prices are on the menu; if you don&#8217;t like the price, leave.  </p>
<p>In most cases, you are wrong about inflated prices when you consider that true fine dining restaurants need to pay for about 5 times the kitchen staff, a much more highly trained and paid chef and sous chef, higher build-out and maintenance expense, and dramatically higher food costs.  But that&#8217;s not particularly relevant &#8212; since you chose to eat there in the first place, you chose to abide by the customs and practices that prevail.  That includes not yelling, spitting on the floor, or stiffing the waiter.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A $200 meal surely includes more courses, more time and more service than, for example, a $20 meal.

If you think about the facts that you were occupying a table for an hour or more... and divide the tip by all the people who provided service -- the waiter, but also the busboy, the person who refreshes your water/bread, the matre de', the bartender or wine steward... that $40 tip doesn't go far.

You probably had a drink or two, a salad, soup or appetizer, main course, dessert, coffee, another drink?  How many trips to the table did your server make to take these orders, deliver them hot and fresh, clear the plates, and check on you to see if you needed pepper, refills, etc?  If that server provides high level service, he can't cover more than a few tables -- making each and every tip important.

However, I do think that 15% is appropriate anywhere there is table service, and 20% for superior service.

The choice of restaurant is tied to the 'inflated' price -- were there linen tablecloths and napkins?  Well-uniformed staff?  Larger tables set further apart?  A well-known chef?  Really, you chose the restaurant for a variety of reasons -- all of which can contribute to the cost of the meal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A $200 meal surely includes more courses, more time and more service than, for example, a $20 meal.</p>
<p>If you think about the facts that you were occupying a table for an hour or more&#8230; and divide the tip by all the people who provided service &#8212; the waiter, but also the busboy, the person who refreshes your water/bread, the matre de&#8217;, the bartender or wine steward&#8230; that $40 tip doesn&#8217;t go far.</p>
<p>You probably had a drink or two, a salad, soup or appetizer, main course, dessert, coffee, another drink?  How many trips to the table did your server make to take these orders, deliver them hot and fresh, clear the plates, and check on you to see if you needed pepper, refills, etc?  If that server provides high level service, he can&#8217;t cover more than a few tables &#8212; making each and every tip important.</p>
<p>However, I do think that 15% is appropriate anywhere there is table service, and 20% for superior service.</p>
<p>The choice of restaurant is tied to the &#8216;inflated&#8217; price &#8212; were there linen tablecloths and napkins?  Well-uniformed staff?  Larger tables set further apart?  A well-known chef?  Really, you chose the restaurant for a variety of reasons &#8212; all of which can contribute to the cost of the meal.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: ndn_ronhoward</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndn_ronhoward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work at what was considered a 'fine restaurant'.  The prices were huge, and most people who came in spent a lot of money on food and drinks.  Suffice it to say that most everyone who came in didn't go out to eat to such places all the time so they spent a considerable amount of money  on the bill and the tip.  Usually I got between 15% and 20%.  For big Christmas parties it was great.  If I had 5 or 6 tables who spent $200 each the tips were good too.  I had to rely on my tips because the owner only paid me $2.00 an hour.  I felt I was getting ripped off by him for getting such a small wage.  Sometimes I would work and not get a single table in a night.  
Most people who would spend $200 for a dinner would expect to pay 20% for the tip, provided the service was good.  If the service was bad then the server shouldn't get anything, in my opinion.  If I gave bad service I wouldn't expect anything.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work at what was considered a &#8216;fine restaurant&#8217;.  The prices were huge, and most people who came in spent a lot of money on food and drinks.  Suffice it to say that most everyone who came in didn&#8217;t go out to eat to such places all the time so they spent a considerable amount of money  on the bill and the tip.  Usually I got between 15% and 20%.  For big Christmas parties it was great.  If I had 5 or 6 tables who spent $200 each the tips were good too.  I had to rely on my tips because the owner only paid me $2.00 an hour.  I felt I was getting ripped off by him for getting such a small wage.  Sometimes I would work and not get a single table in a night.<br />
Most people who would spend $200 for a dinner would expect to pay 20% for the tip, provided the service was good.  If the service was bad then the server shouldn&#8217;t get anything, in my opinion.  If I gave bad service I wouldn&#8217;t expect anything.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: emucompboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>emucompboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between 8% and 15%.
Me?  I grab a sandwich at Subway's.  No one tips there.  If you don't want to go to that restaurant, go elsewhere.  Vote with your feet and dollars.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between 8% and 15%.<br />
Me?  I grab a sandwich at Subway&#8217;s.  No one tips there.  If you don&#8217;t want to go to that restaurant, go elsewhere.  Vote with your feet and dollars.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: beverley1156</title>
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		<dc:creator>beverley1156</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am totally against tipping in any form,as I consider it to be subsidising the wages of the staff when their employer should be paying them a proper wage.If everybody stopped tipping,then these greedy mean employers would have to pay a proper wage in order to get staff.I personally can only afford to go out for a meal about 3 or 4 times a year( am a pensioner) and object to having to tip as well as pay for a meal that sometimes is'nt worth the price anyway.I and my husband have worked hard all our lives,but not in a job that anyone has ever tipped us and we have only ever been on very low wages.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am totally against tipping in any form,as I consider it to be subsidising the wages of the staff when their employer should be paying them a proper wage.If everybody stopped tipping,then these greedy mean employers would have to pay a proper wage in order to get staff.I personally can only afford to go out for a meal about 3 or 4 times a year( am a pensioner) and object to having to tip as well as pay for a meal that sometimes is&#8217;nt worth the price anyway.I and my husband have worked hard all our lives,but not in a job that anyone has ever tipped us and we have only ever been on very low wages.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: lonepinesusan</title>
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		<dc:creator>lonepinesusan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noone says you have to go there. The tip , and they bug me, is for the waitresses and waiters who earn crap money because the restaurants won't pay them,and we are supposed to. I pay 15% in the daytime and 20% in the evening. If service stinks and the waitress is lazy or inattentive,I have left much less to let her know I thought her bad, I have also left up to a 30% tip to a fabulous waitress who was friendly and went the extra mile to give us great service and kept refilling glasses,and kept asking if we wanted anything ,we took her name and will ask for her next time we go there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noone says you have to go there. The tip , and they bug me, is for the waitresses and waiters who earn crap money because the restaurants won&#8217;t pay them,and we are supposed to. I pay 15% in the daytime and 20% in the evening. If service stinks and the waitress is lazy or inattentive,I have left much less to let her know I thought her bad, I have also left up to a 30% tip to a fabulous waitress who was friendly and went the extra mile to give us great service and kept refilling glasses,and kept asking if we wanted anything ,we took her name and will ask for her next time we go there.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: divers_godeeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>divers_godeeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tip what I want when I want....&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tip what I want when I want&#8230;.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: ♫ Mad Luv ♫</title>
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		<dc:creator>♫ Mad Luv ♫</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20% is a good tip!  i personaly wouldn't pay more unless the waitstaff went above and beyond the call of duty! 

But i'm not going to pay extra for them to do their job! 
40 bucks is a lot of money and how long where you there 1hr  she made 40 bucks an hour off you alone how many tables did she have?

okay i don't want complements when i do my job i get paid for  only when i go above and beyond! 
there for i treat complements like tips!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20% is a good tip!  i personaly wouldn&#8217;t pay more unless the waitstaff went above and beyond the call of duty! </p>
<p>But i&#8217;m not going to pay extra for them to do their job!<br />
40 bucks is a lot of money and how long where you there 1hr  she made 40 bucks an hour off you alone how many tables did she have?</p>
<p>okay i don&#8217;t want complements when i do my job i get paid for  only when i go above and beyond!<br />
there for i treat complements like tips!<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Cami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a waitress in college at a high level restaurant, I'll let you know a few things.

Firstly, have you ever been a server? That may give you a better understanding of the practice of of food service and just how difficult it is.

If you go to a fine dining restaurant and the bill is that high, of course a waiter is going to expect a larger tip because the level of people coming should understand etiquette and tip at a high level; 20% is always great if the server has done a good job. 

Ive found that working at a higher level restaurant provides you with more exposure to people who want things done right, and they're mostly willing to pay for it. You should NOT think its acceptable to tip a waitress at a level you would if you ate at Ihop. 

I work hard for all my tables and I expect for them to return the kindness and tip me for my hard work. I don't think that people understand that as a server I only make $3.00 and hour. 

If you can afford to spend $200 on a meal then expect to tip at that level as well: Who do you think needs to money more?&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a waitress in college at a high level restaurant, I&#8217;ll let you know a few things.</p>
<p>Firstly, have you ever been a server? That may give you a better understanding of the practice of of food service and just how difficult it is.</p>
<p>If you go to a fine dining restaurant and the bill is that high, of course a waiter is going to expect a larger tip because the level of people coming should understand etiquette and tip at a high level; 20% is always great if the server has done a good job. </p>
<p>Ive found that working at a higher level restaurant provides you with more exposure to people who want things done right, and they&#8217;re mostly willing to pay for it. You should NOT think its acceptable to tip a waitress at a level you would if you ate at Ihop. </p>
<p>I work hard for all my tables and I expect for them to return the kindness and tip me for my hard work. I don&#8217;t think that people understand that as a server I only make $3.00 and hour. </p>
<p>If you can afford to spend $200 on a meal then expect to tip at that level as well: Who do you think needs to money more?<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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